Local VS National Story Stirs Big Debate

11-28-2011 (updated)
Our story about the strength of local on-air talent vs. nationally recognized names like Ryan Seacrest and Elvis Duran stirred the pot quite a bit over the past few days. Some have argued that unless you know the feel of a local market, what's going on, who the local players are and what the flavor of a community is national names can never compete with the locals. Others would argue, and have, that listeners really only care about being entertained. All of that flavor stuff doesn't mean much if you are presenting compelling and entertaining information. Take a look at some of the comments that follow the story.
That national philosophy, as outlined by new CEO Bob Pittman in the December 5th issue of Radio Ink, involves bringing some of Clear Channel's "world class talent" into smaller and medium markets and to localize them, so to speak. That talent may include Elvis Duran doing a morning show or Ryan Seacrest doing an afternoon show in markets they do not live. That seems to have a lot of you in a tizzy. Why?
Some would say this approach removes any possibility of creating a farm system of radio talent. The next generation of Elvis Duran's, Rush Limbaugh's and Bob and Tom's are now without a place to start, learn and grow. Others might ask why small and medium market listeners should be used as Guinea pigs. Just because talent is local, doesn't mean they always giving listeners the best product. There really haven't been too many complaints about Rush Limbaugh. Rush is not local, yet he's heard on hundreds of stations and has been for years. There are no complaints because Rush is a great broadcaster. But is local always best for listeners and advertisers? After all isn't that our top priority?
Burns & Associates CEO Alan Burns tells Radio Ink people don't really care if Rush Limbaugh is local. "In most cases and places, being entertaining is more important than where you originate from. Listeners will say local is preferable, but they’ll listen to what’s most entertaining or most useful to them. But local does matter. You can win with local if you do it well and thoroughly and are in roughly the same ballpark as the other guys on entertainment or information. Clear Channel’s move to more nationalized content will cause some broadcasters to try to do a better job of local service, and that’s good for the industry."
Ryan Seacrest is on in the town I live in, Fort Myers Florida. We've never run into him in the grocery store so I'm pretty sure he doesn't live here. Maybe a summer house in Naples, but that's just speculation. Can listeners really tell when he stops speaking live and the local liner fires off? Probably not. Today's technology is very smooth. I can tell, but that's because I'm listening for it. And, listening closely brings me back to the days of yesteryear when our antiquated automation system would fire off carts, which would break, in some enormous space-ship looking spinning wheel causing 30 seconds of dead air and all kinds of lights and buzzers got go off around the station. Times have certainly changed.
Veteran radio consultant Jaye Albright says automating radio's programming is nothing new. "Great beats local.
Great local beats unengaged execution, no matter where it comes from or how famous the voice. Fun, originality, creativity, passion, interactivity, proper targeting, position, excellent formatics dominate as long as it makes the listener feel something more than anything else on the radio right now."
"My first lesson in this fact came in the late 1970's when I left local radio in San Jose to join consultant-syndication company Drake-Chenault. One of my first client station visits was to North Carolina Summit Broadcasting General Manager Roger Stockton, who I was trying to convince that his radio station should move from one of our 24/7 syndicated formats, "Great American Country" which was voiced by the legendary Bob Kingsley to adding a live morning show and other "live and local" dayparts.
"Don't people wonder if Bob ever sleeps?" I queried Stockton. He replied, "they don't seem to, since we have an 18 share in those time periods." Consistent music rotations, a familiar voice front and also back announcing all of the current music and tight formatics compared to what other choices Triad country listeners had was sufficient force to win big at the time.
For local to matter, Burns says, you have to do more than just pay lip-service to it. "Just saying the names of three suburbs after the weather won't work. I’ve seen some of CCU’s Premium Choice stations do very well against nominally “local” programming. You have to know the market and care about it, serve it and reflect it on the air, and be everywhere in it. That’s where the national companies and content will have a hard time competing. Clear Channel, and anyone else who wants to emulate what they’re doing, has to be thinking about several questions regarding staffing levels: How many markets can one talent empathize with? Do you have enough people at the local outlet to actually be in touch with the market? Do you have enough people left to generate sufficient local presence?"
Of course, we want to know your thoughts. Please send feedback to edryan@radioink.com or post your comments below. When posting comments please keep in mind this is a debate about programming philosophy, not about people being fired. We all agree that it's unfortunate and life altering that people have lost their jobs.
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(11/28/2011 3:53:48 PM) Great comments! Very enjoyable radio types with good backgrounds. I'm going to date myself here, but Bob Woods did it first :). Bob said, (in effect), "It's what's between the records. That is the magic" I haven't heard that motto since U100 went on the air with Rob Sherwood at the Minnesota State Fair in 1974. I was U.S. Steele from 8 - Midnight. 4 hours filled with phoners, "Bed Check", Homework Calllers" and the always present, U100 GRABS ME" halter tops and album giveaways. The same motto worked for me and others at KITE in San Antonio, KHOW in Denver with Hal Moore & Charlie Martin. And in Dallas my PD, Peter Mclane ask no less of his staff. Be excited to be on the air. Have your begining, middle and close worked out before you open the mic. Again, Mr. Woods thanks from one radio wars vet to another. Besides..you don't see baseball doing away with Double A or Triple A farm clubs do you? These young people who have a burning in their gut for radio have got to start somewhere. Thank you, and keep the dialog going. Remember we are talking about someones job to feed and protect his/her family. Steve Gibbons |
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(11/28/2011 1:45:04 PM) I think we're missing a point or two in this debate. First, plenty of highly-rated, long-running, immensely popular local personalities, are being sent out the door. So "great, local" DOESN'T trump "disengaged national". They won't even be given the chance! But second, and most importantly, how will local sports franchises (especially in mid and small markets), local charities (needed now more than ever), and local small business', ever be successful? These entities count on their personal relationships with the media and their personalities to get the EXTRA promotion they need to get noticed. We are getting what they want...centralized control of the country. Like John Mayer sang: "...'cause when they own the information, oh, they can bend it all they want". Johnny Burke Mornings, 96WHNN |
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(11/28/2011 12:32:42 PM) The CC employee wrote: "as long as CC's product isn't authentic, the company will never reach its full potential". CC paid more for stations than they were worth (it bought revenue), consolidated so that employment opportunities and competition diminished, and sold combo plans that produced revenue for CC, but not for the customer. So they destroyed competition, the market, and radio marketing. Well, Clear Channel has reached it's full potential 'cause there's nothing left to screw up. |
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(11/28/2011 10:42:13 AM) Clear Channel's direction is finally what many of us in the biz wanted to see...that is to get out of the local radio business. They never liked local radio and wanted to destroy for 15 years. They have significantly damaged the industry, but with them getting out of the local end of it, may give rise to Local Stations. What I see is thousands of Local "David's" overcoming the Goliath. |
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